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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: serbian army on November 11, 2011, 01:36:05 pm
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Because I said not to write on topic about Jewish suffering, or Jewish history in general, because of several members attacking me I must open this new topic to explain my views on Gaddafi...or debate anyone on important facts..
1. First of all, he was not a nazi. He, while he was still alive, openly spoke against nazism and fascism. He openly compared modern evils with those done by hitler. I am writing his name lower caps out of disrespect.
2. Second, during his reign Libya became a bread bucket of Africa and a very wealthy as well as modern muslim country compared to other countries in the Middle East.
3. Third, he was a great friend of Serbs, and probably only one we had in muslim world. He allowed our workers to earn their living in his country, traded with us, urged muslims in Balkans to change their behavior towards my nation.
We do not betray our friends and allies, nor we change sides to benefit from such move.
4. He died like true hero, on his doorsteps fighting until the end. It is in our blood to respect and love such act of courage by anyone, even our enemies. Gaddafi did not leave his country but rather died in his home city fighting invaders. Is there a greater joy than to die like this?
5. Airplane bombing blamed on him was never proven and lacks concrete evidence. If he had such developed network and was involved in such acts he would have probably bomb some Italian city while NATO was dropping bombs on his children.
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you are entitled to your opinion. A lot of Serbians also side with Russia even we at JTF think they are evil. Friends always have a difference of opinion. At least he's dead and we both can wish for the demise and suffering in Libya all the same.
But just because you have that opinion of Qaddafi, it doesn't make you an anti-semite.
However, I do have a question to ask you. Qaddafi bombed Pan-Am, he was a terrorist and supported terrorism. He was against Israel and the Jewish people and openly spoke of Israel's destruction. How does it feel to have supported such an animal who cursed Gd's people?
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you are entitled to your opinion. A lot of Serbians also side with Russia even we at JTF think they are evil. Friends always have a difference of opinion. At least he's dead and we both can wish for the demise and suffering in Libya all the same.
But just because you have that opinion of Qaddafi, it doesn't make you an anti-semite.
However, I do have a question to ask you. Qaddafi bombed Pan-Am, he was a terrorist and supported terrorism. He was against Israel and the Jewish people and openly spoke of Israel's destruction. How does it feel to have supported such an animal who cursed Gd's people?
Show me evidence of all that...I was reading all his speeches before his death and he did not blame Jewish people for anything...
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Because I said not to write on topic about Jewish suffering, or Jewish history in general, because of several members attacking me I must open this new topic to explain my views on Gaddafi...or debate anyone on important facts..
1. First of all, he was not a nazi. He, while he was still alive, openly spoke against nazism and fascism. He openly compared modern evils with those done by hitler. I am writing his name lower caps out of disrespect.
2. Second, during his reign Libya became a bread bucket of Africa and a very wealthy as well as modern muslim country compared to other countries in the Middle East.
3. Third, he was a great friend of Serbs, and probably only one we had in muslim world. He allowed our workers to earn their living in his country, traded with us, urged muslims in Balkans to change their behavior towards my nation.
We do not betray our friends and allies, nor we change sides to benefit from such move.
4. He died like true hero, on his doorsteps fighting until the end. It is in our blood to respect and love such act of courage by anyone, even our enemies. Gaddafi did not leave his country but rather died in his home city fighting invaders. Is there a greater joy than to die like this?
5. Airplane bombing blamed on him was never proven and lacks concrete evidence. If he had such developed network and was involved in such acts he would have probably bomb some Italian city while NATO was dropping bombs on his children.
He was openly against fascism????? That's like saying Kim Jong Il is openly against Communism.
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Serbian army I don't think you need to defend yourself to Ron. I personally believe that Gaddafi was a very bad person but I'm glad he at least supported the Serbs, though that doesn't make up for everything else in my opinion. However I think everyone on this forum should know by now that you are not an anti-Semite and are a valued member of the forum. Don't let anybody drag you down or drive you away.
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Go to Hell where Gadaffi is.... If you love that murderous bastard so much!
I hate Gadaffi with a passion and hope that all who supported him will burn eternally.
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Gaddafi was a vicious Muslim Jew-hater, a tyrant directly involved in large-scale terrorism, murder, torture, rape and robbery. How can you admire this pig ?
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He was openly against fascism????? That's like saying Kim Jong Il is openly against Communism.
Well if you know anything about history you would know why...
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Gaddafi was a vicious Muslim Jew-hater, a tyrant directly involved in large-scale terrorism, murder, torture, rape and robbery. How can you admire this pig ?
Where did you learn that? By watching CNN? If you are at that level to believe he was distributing Viagra to his soldiers what we have to debate here?
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Go to Hell where Gadaffi is.... If you love that murderous bastard so much!
I hate Gadaffi with a passion and hope that all who supported him will burn eternally.
Present some facts. Show some knowledge. Prove me wrong.
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Where did you learn that? By watching CNN? If you are at that level to believe he was distributing Viagra to his soldiers what we have to debate here?
I don't watch CNN. But YOU probably get your info on Al Jazeera or Radio Moscow International. Indeed, there's nothing to debate if your hatred of America blurs your judgement so much that you're ready to admire a pig like Gaddafi.
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Now I hate America, I am against Jews, I watch Arab tv stations,....ok
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING, IT WAS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE FOR 5 YEARS, MAY GOD BLESS SERBIA AND ISRAEL..
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It's childish of you to play the victim, Serbian Army : you express admiration for a man who can only disgust Jews and Israel supporters, you deny notorious facts about him and claim that we are the ones who are brainwashed, and then you quit debating because you can't stand contradiction ??
What did you expect ? That we would share your passion for Gaddafi ?
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I understand their are aspects of admiring kaddafi, but personally I have no feeling of loose for him. He was against Jews, no doubt about that, but still I would rather he still be in power and still fight till the end with the rest of Libya against itself and against the internationals. Also I admire the fact that even though he is a bad guy yes, but at least he had pride and bolls. He fought till the end like a warrior. I only wish our "Jewish leaders" would behave like him.
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How can you not expect us not to show our disgust for Ghadaffi??? I honestly thought this was some sorta joke post at first.
Here at JTF we do NOT support Islam, Terrorism, and fascism. Ghadaffi represents all 3.
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I understand their are aspects of admiring kaddafi, but personally I have no feeling of loose for him. He was against Jews, no doubt about that, but still I would rather he still be in power and still fight till the end with the rest of Libya against itself and against the internationals. Also I admire the fact that even though he is a bad guy yes, but at least he had pride and bolls. He fought till the end like a warrior. I only wish our "Jewish leaders" would behave like him.
Yeah, really honorable getting sodomized at the end...
I hope it hurt like hell.... Gadafi was a terrorist and deserved to die. I am tired of the excuse 'but who will take over after him', etc. etc.... The same could be said about other criminals too.... I think every Nazi who killed Jews should be executed regardless of how many years have passed and how nice the gestapo agent is today.... Evil must be removed from this world. This is why I rejoice in the destruction of Gadaffi... If another evil leader arises, he too must be removed...
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Yeah, really honorable getting sodomized at the end...
I hope it hurt like hell.... Gadafi was a terrorist and deserved to die. I am tired of the excuse 'but who will take over after him', etc. etc.... The same could be said about other criminals too.... I think every Nazi who killed Jews should be executed regardless of how many years have passed and how nice the gestapo agent is today.... Evil must be removed from this world. This is why I rejoice in the destruction of Gadaffi... If another evil leader arises, he too must be removed...
No problem, I never said you shouldn't be happy that he was killed. No problem, all I am saying is that their were/are good qualities that others can learn.
The same can be said of the Yetzer Hara (evil inclination). Even though yes we don't follow it, at least we can learn from it. For example instead of with the evil inclination running after sin, we can learn from that in running after Mitzwoth.
Anyway i'm out, have a good Shabbous.
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Lets 'honor' gadaffi in pictures:
Here he is showing the importance of public outreach to our friends at the Nation of Islam
(http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/gaddafi-nuts2.jpg)
Here he is showing support to Latin America
(http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/files/2011/03/Gaddafi-Chavez-Gawker.jpg)
And here he is making us laugh
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110225213106/uncyclopedia/images/4/40/Gadaffi-Duck-libya.jpg)
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I always considered him to be Qadaffi Duck...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9n5JnH9wYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKakUF--80w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ympF_grrA
I would spit on this monsters grave if I knew where it was.... Hell is too good of a place for such an islamic scum-sucker.
To hell with Serbian Army and his perverted world outlook.
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Great pictures Briann
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Those pictures says it all...hope serbian army sees this and humbles himself.
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2. Second, during his reign Libya became a bread bucket of Africa and a very wealthy as well as modern muslim country compared to other countries in the Middle East.
3. Third, he was a great friend of Serbs, and probably only one we had in muslim world. He allowed our workers to earn their living in his country, traded with us, urged muslims in Balkans to change their behavior towards my nation.
We do not betray our friends and allies, nor we change sides to benefit from such move.
4. He died like true hero, on his doorsteps fighting until the end. It is in our blood to respect and love such act of courage by anyone, even our enemies. Gaddafi did not leave his country but rather died in his home city fighting invaders. Is there a greater joy than to die like this?
Point # 2 - you supported him because he built a prosperous muslim country?! Serbian Army, I hope you are kiddiing - do you know who your enemies are?
Point # 3- Do you know the meaning of "friends" in the muslim world? He was a great friend?! The only reason he traded with Serbia was because it benefited him.
Point#4 - He didn't die fighting - he was hiding like a rat in the sewer pipe and died like a sewer muslime vermin.
His goal & dream, and he never denied it but only openly promoted, was a total islamic domination of Europe. I am sure this sounds familiar to all Serbs but how can they be so blind not to see it? Are you as desperate and as sickly as Jews in your desire to be loved by someone so that you are ready to lie to yourself?
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Maybe Serbian Army has a touch of the 11/11/11 virus going around. Hopefully he will be cured after midnight.
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One of his quotes was:
"By the wombs of our women we will conquer europe".
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Serbian Army, I forgot to mention - please don't leave this forum because of this disagreement or because some kid offended you. I have many disagreements with Chaim and other members, but the cause is just. Stick around!
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Serbian Army, I forgot to mention - please don't leave this forum because of this disagreement or because some kid offended you. I have many disagreements with Chaim and other members, but the cause is just. Stick around!
I agree with Manch.
Serbian Army, I strongly disagree with you on this AND I think you should stay. I believe that you did look online for his speeches before his death. As I know you know, he gave many speeches prior to his death. I would invite you to look at some of the other things that Qaddafi had said. I understand your hurt about this, BUT you shouldn't leave. Friends help each other learn just as you have helped us to learn more about the Serbs.
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Gaddafi was undoubtable an evil person. I remember very well his recent crimes i.e. kidnapping and accusing the Bulgarian nurses of infecting Lybian children with aids etc. His own children were out of controll. They committed lots of crimes in public and if there came the reaction by the justice Gaddafi abused the Lybian state as instrument to put pressure on Europe. This made him a risk. So I understand to a certain degree the actions of European leaders to help the so called Freedom fighters.
But on the other hand the "freedom fighters" are hardcore salafist Muslims. Their actions speak a clear language. They are basically on Hamas & Taliban level. I think they areworse than him. They have this uncompromising uncontrolled and cruel attitude of the Muslim even more than Gaddafi and his family.
And I have to admit for a Muslim he and his fellows fought well. His enemies were only able to catch him with Nato help.
But before he was attacked by Nato and the so called freedom fighters I often wished that someone should punish him, as I heard about the release of the murderer by the Scottish authorities, his "plans" for Europe and Israel as he kidnapped Swiss citzens, the Bulgarian nurses, as he came with his tent to Paris, as Hannibal beat up employes at a hotel and was released, as his sons drove far about speed limit at the Champs Elysees and so on and so on
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Gaddafi was undoubtable an evil person. I remember very well his recent crimes i.e. kidnapping and accusing the Bulgarian nurses of infecting Lybian children with aids etc. His own children were out of controll. They committed lots of crimes in public and if there came the reaction by the justice Gaddafi abused the Lybian state as instrument to put pressure on Europe. This made him a risk. So I understand to a certain degree the actions of European leaders to help the so called Freedom fighters.
But on the other hand the "freedom fighters" are hardcore salafist Muslims. Their actions speak a clear language. They are basically on Hamas & Taliban level. I think they areworse than him. They have this uncompromising uncontrolled and cruel attitude of the Muslim even more than Gaddafi and his family.
And I have to admit for a Muslim he and his fellows fought well. His enemies were only able to catch him with Nato help.
But before he was attacked by Nato and the so called freedom fighters I often wished that someone should punish him, as I heard about the release of the murderer by the Scottish authorities, his "plans" for Europe and Israel as he kidnapped Swiss citzens, the Bulgarian nurses, as he came with his tent to Paris, as Hannibal beat up employes at a hotel and was released, as his sons drove far about speed limit at the Champs Elysees and so on and so on
You are right wait till you see the next band of thugs ruling that place they had an Al Qaeda flag on top of a Govt Building.Eastern libya is know for it's very high proportion of Al Qaeda volunteers
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I remember an article about a british female escort that used to get hired by gaddafi's son or nephew.
At some point he beat her up. When she went to the police she got threats that people in her family, including some unknown relative living in south America, would be murdered if she didn't drop the charges. The article explained that gadaffi's intelligence provided all the information about the escorts family and personal details.
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Elimination of Gaddafi is good under any circumstances but is excellent subject to the condition that we shall now find much more wicked muslamic rulers for Libya, who shall lead the vile muslam in this world to their culmination and end.
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So serbian "army" heils an Arab Nazi tyrant who was an outright PLO-Fatah supporter, armed and trained and funded them, called for the extermination of Israel all of his life, was involved in the massacre of the Israeli athlets in Munich and murdered Jews in the Pan-Am flight. And the Jews of this forum call him a friend (it's no surprise the German Rubystars loves such a Nazi). I truly have no words.
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Serbian Army, I forgot to mention - please don't leave this forum because of this disagreement or because some kid offended you. I have many disagreements with Chaim and other members, but the cause is just. Stick around!
I hope what his beloved Qaddafi did to the Jews will be done to you, ASAP G-d willing.
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So serbian "army" heils an Arab Nazi tyrant who was an outright PLO-Fatah supporter, armed and trained and funded them, called for the extermination of Israel all of his life, was involved in the massacre of the Israeli athlets in Munich and murdered Jews in the Pan-Am flight. And the Jews of this forum call him a friend (it's no surprise the German Rubystars loves such a Nazi). I truly have no words.
Rubystars is a very good veteran member. Why are you fixated on her German lineage???
We were ALL caught off guard by Serbian Army's comment... and NO ONE HERE agrees with it, INCLUDING Rubystars. Lets not use this as a 'I told you so'' moment. I am sure even Chaim is puzzled by this unwelcome opinion.
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So serbian "army" heils an Arab Nazi tyrant who was an outright PLO-Fatah supporter, armed and trained and funded them, called for the extermination of Israel all of his life, was involved in the massacre of the Israeli athlets in Munich and murdered Jews in the Pan-Am flight. And the Jews of this forum call him a friend (it's no surprise the German Rubystars loves such a Nazi). I truly have no words.
I'm an American
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Rubystars is a very good veteran member. Why are you fixated on her German lineage???
We were ALL caught off guard by Serbian Army's comment... and NO ONE HERE agrees with it, INCLUDING Rubystars. Lets not use this as a 'I told you so'' moment. I am sure even Chaim is puzzled by this unwelcome opinion.
Thanks briann. You're right about how I feel. I also think Gaddafi was very evil and deserved a lot more painful death than what he got.
There are a lot of issues I disagree with when it comes to some of our Serb members such as their support of Russia and how many of them were not (because McCain was anti-Serb) able to help us last presidential cycle. I still think we should have Serb members as long as they're not anti-Semites.
My grandfather and my grandmother were WW2 vets for the USA so obviously my family was anti-Nazi on that side. The ones before that in Texas were just farmers/ranchers, not Nazi scum.
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Ruby stars isn't a Nazi. What are you talking about Ron? She is against Qaddafi like every sane person in this forum. Which means that anyone who supported Qaddafi is insane.
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Ruby stars isn't a Nazi. What are you talking about Ron? She is against Qaddafi like every sane person in this forum. Which means that anyone who supported Qaddafi is insane.
Thanks Dr. Dan
I don't really understand why so many Serbs did support him. Even if he was pro-Serb (and I don't think he was genuinely so), that doesn't make up for all his other evil.
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She adores serbian faggot
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She adores serbian faggot
(http://www.sectalk.com/boards/images/imported/2011/08/son_i_am_disappoint_trollcat-1.jpg)
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I hope what his beloved Qaddafi did to the Jews will be done to you, ASAP G-d willing.
You are just an unstable kid who gets his kicks by caressing a hugely inflated ego, by admiring the self-imposed righteousness and offending other people on the forum, who you perceive as not as "holly", as "righteous" as you. I know the type - we've seen them before on this forum. As a Jew, I thought of you as my brother. However, you wishing me ill, for no reason, is beyond contempt. You obviously can read and saw my post about Gaddaffi. But that didn't matter, because you were OFFENDED by mu other post referring to you as a kid. So, your ego took over your reason and your true personality came through - you cursed me as well as offended other GREAT folks on this forum. This and other behaviour you've frequently exhibited typifies your irrational behavior.
I don't understand why Chaim is infatuated with you, but I suspect that, sooner or later, you will end up in the same cohorts as Joshua Rosenberg, Samantha the Cat, Jakov the kitten lover, Stephen Weigeing and Tina Greco. Chaim tolerated these evil morons for a long time but then they turned around and betrayed this movement. The one common denominator that united them was their huge, inflated ego and that Chaim, somehow, felt gratitude to these snakes.
You are just an ill-tempered little moron. This movement will be better without you, until you acquire a stable mental state, which I doubt is possible for you in the near future. The sooner we get rid of you, the better it will be for JTF.
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Don't let him drive you off the forum either Manch you're also a very good member.
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You are just an unstable kid who gets his kicks by caressing a hugely inflated ego, by admiring the self-imposed righteousness and offending other people on the forum, who you perceive as not as "holly", as "righteous" as you. I know the type - we've seen them before on this forum. As a Jew, I thought of you as my brother. However, you wishing me ill, for no reason, is beyond contempt. You obviously can read and saw my post about Gaddaffi. But that didn't matter, because you were OFFENDED by mu other post referring to you as a kid. So, your ego took over your reason and your true personality came through - you cursed me as well as offended other GREAT folks on this forum. This and other behaviour you've frequently exhibited typifies your irrational behavior.
I don't understand why Chaim is infatuated with you, but I suspect that, sooner or later, you will end up in the same cohorts as Joshua Rosenberg, Samantha the Cat, Jakov the kitten lover, Stephen Weigeing and Tina Greco. Chaim tolerated these evil morons for a long time but then they turned around and betrayed this movement. The one common denominator that united them was their huge, inflated ego and that Chaim, somehow, felt gratitude to these snakes.
You are just an ill-tempered little moron. This movement will be better without you, until you acquire a stable mental state, which I doubt is possible for you in the near future. The sooner we get rid of you, the better it will be for JTF.
You're either insane or one huge hypocrite. You side with a monster (serbian faggot) who praised the murderer of Jewish children and went crazy because I attacked him, and you talk about loyalty? you fanatically defend a nation that co-operated with Hitler (Japan) and threaten (in the most childish way) to leave the forum because Chaim attacked them, and you talk about loyalty?
I couldn't care about you if you were just another drunk pig who lives in f-n Canada and talks about Jewish issues from far away, hoping anybody in Israel cares about his insanity. But if you dare to challenge my loyalty to the Jews, I will not be silent.
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You're either insane or one huge hypocrite. You side with a monster (serbian faggot) who praised the murderer of Jewish children and went crazy because I attacked him, and you talk about loyalty? you fanatically defend a nation that co-operated with Hitler (Japan) and threaten (in the most childish way) to leave the forum because Chaim attacked them, and you talk about loyalty?
I couldn't care about you if you were just another drunk pig who lives in f-n Canada and talks about Jewish issues from far away, hoping anybody in Israel cares about his insanity. But if you dare to challenge my loyalty to the Jews, I will not be silent.
Hey, little [censored], when did I ever threaten to leave a forum?! You are insane and I would definitely not leave because of a nuisance like you and I have encouraged Serbian Army not leave the forum. I don't live in Canada, I am not drunkard and your loyalty to Jews is on par with that of Joshua Rosenberg - it doesn't extend past your sorry pitiful self.
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Qaddafi was behind the lockerbie bombing. The US killed his kid and scared the crap out of him. He was a lying muslim animal who got killed by other lying muslim animals.
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He was a madman, i thought the old Radio Moscow was now known as The Voice Of Russia ?
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Enough with the infighting. It makes our forum look bad! Serbian army I totally disagree defending someone like qadaffi but dont leave the forum because of people using insults against you.
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Gaddafi was a piece of poop. His replacements are poop. It is charachteristic of all muslim countries. They can do no better.
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Hi Shamgar. Nice to "see" you again.
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Hi Shamgar. Nice to "see" you again.
Hi Lisa. Thanks for remembering me. Hope to spend some time back online fighting the battle. I was lured out of retirement and been working quite a bit but having a blast. The current events have been even a greater lure to get me back on line and fight the battle. Seems that Israel and God are under attack from everyone now. Of course we know who is going to win.
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Hi Lisa. Thanks for remembering me. Hope to spend some time back online fighting the battle. I was lured out of retirement and been working quite a bit but having a blast. The current events have been even a greater lure to get me back on line and fight the battle. Seems that Israel and G-d are under attack from everyone now. Of course we know who is going to win.
Welcome back Shamgar I remember you too.