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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: edu on November 07, 2012, 03:32:38 am
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In your answer please suggest both a spiritual lesson and a political lesson
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The spiritual lesson is that American is under extreme judgement for the damage its done to Israel and for all the babies that are being murdered every day through abortion. The political lesson is that demographics matter.
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Agree
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It's the start of the end for the left in Israel in academia army , the right Zionist will take power and cease the tyranny of these islamists elites holding key posts and undermining Israel security.
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In your answer please suggest both a spiritual lesson and a political lesson
I apologize to only give half an answer because I'm not religious, but I believe the political lesson is that ignoring an aggressor achieves nothing, and instead only helps it advance.
The solution is to stop pretending that much of black & Hispanic America is sincere in their complaints of dissatisfaction with white Republicans. The problem is our success, and it's a distortion of reality to continue to pretend that something we did to them is responsible for their dissatisfaction.
If we offended blacks & Hispanics as much as many of them claim, they'd ask to separate themselves from us, not live closer to us. But hey, am I suggesting that most blacks (at least) would be disingenuous towards us? Well, given that 70% of black men abandon their children, they don't care what even their own children think of them... so, why would they care what we think of them? That's why most blacks continue to lie to our faces.
Because of this denial of reality, Obama gets not only an increasing black & Hispanic vote, but also the white appeasement vote that Republicans could help stop.
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You can't beat an incumbent unless he promises, "Read my lips, No new taxes" and reneges (lies)!!!!
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Agree. The root cause of this loss is the Hispanic and black vote. Media bias didn't help but again, they are just telling their non white audience what they want to hear I.e it is no accident the media is biased
So long as Americas non white population continues to proportionately increase, the country will become like any other place in Africa or central America
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Just lie that you support all liberal causes and then do the opposite once in power.
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The problem for Romney is that he had to play tough on immigration to win the republican nomination but then lost the Hispanic vote so couldn't really lie
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Whose fault is that? Kunstler, Kuby, Abzug, Streisand, Spielberg.......
Get the drift?
Shakespeare; Julius Caesar; Act I, scene, ii, 140-141, Cassius to Brutus
"The fault, Dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in ourselves
that we are underlings".
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Yep. Jewish liberals....
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Political--fighting to win does not mean you will (i.e. Allen West)
Spiritual--G-d is giving us over to the depraved desires of our hearts
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The American people have chosen socialism.
It's not the black vote or the Hispanic vote or the Jewish vote or the women vote unless you want to compartmentalize the whole country and approach future elections by pandering to special interest groups which will probably be what the Republicans do. The truth, as much as some people hate to admit it, is that Americans want socialism as long as they think that they will receive the benefits and that someone else will pay for them.
Only time will show them that this recipe doesn't work, especially when it's financed by an increasing debt. Unfortunately, if they ever realize that at all, it will be too late.
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Just lie that you support all liberal causes and then do the opposite once in power.
True.
The problem is that obviously lots of Americans have changed their values and in addition lots of people became Americans who have other values than the WASP population. So the majority is now basically likeminded with Old Europe. It is clear were all this will lead to.
People usually think Greece is Europes broke-vulture, but France under Hollande is the paradigma of the future of all Western countries.
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Decent people must make babies lots of them, teach their kids at home or at private schools, then maybe the demographics would get better.
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You can't beat an incumbent unless he promises, "Read my lips, No new taxes" and reneges (lies)!!!!
But obama did do that. Taxes go up when obamacare kicks in in full.
Why is johnson brownshirt still here?
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The American people have chosen socialism.
It's not the black vote or the Hispanic vote or the Jewish vote or the women vote unless you want to compartmentalize the whole country and approach future elections by pandering to special interest groups which will probably be what the Republicans do. The truth, as much as some people hate to admit it, is that Americans want socialism as long as they think that they will receive the benefits and that someone else will pay for them.
Only time will show them that this recipe doesn't work, especially when it's financed by an increasing debt. Unfortunately, if they ever realize that at all, it will be too late.
It's not my interest to compartmentalize the country into different groups, but you don't see that a very significant amount of blacks and Hispanics do?
Barack Obama came out of a church he went to for 20 years where whites/Jews were scapegoated for everything Jeremiah Wright could imagine, and then campaigned for the presidency with speeches where he said things like, "1 in every 8 Americans now live in poverty".
Who are these 1 in every 8 Americans? Obama speaks in a kind of "Taquia" around whites, and does not see all of his voters as just "Americans", HiWarp, and that's why we need to expose him and the blacks who support him. His Attorney General Eric Holder says he won't prosecute the black panthers for voter intimidation until "the socio-economic status of blacks is the same as whites".
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I agree....
The spiritual lesson is that American is under extreme judgement for the damage its done to Israel and for all the babies that are being murdered every day through abortion. The political lesson is that demographics matter.
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I was praying that a good part of American people had had enough and were just waiting in silence to vote the shvartza Administration out of office however sadly this was just not the case... Not only did the administration not get voted out it seems like liberals in general did well in many of last nights elections... Dead ambassadors caused by the administrations neglect, local fuel shortages that could quickly be remedied by the federal government if they were serious about seeing things recover quickly all this quietly accepted by the majority of the people affected.... Would the people have stayed so quiet if it were a white president Bush? It seems the majority of the American people are very comfortable having a lack luster black president as their leader... They are willing to accept needless hardship at the hands of this president... This year will pass with little change however one thing for sure next year will be a year of great change and hardship... The American people are going to have to accept big adjustments in the next few years to their way of life under this president... About the only people that will not have anything to complain about for now are people on the dole... As time goes on and their becomes less and less people to tax into poverty even they will be in the same boat as all the people that were one time better off... At this point it's my opinion any solution is years away... Even at that point the United States that will emerge is not going to be anything like the one we once had.
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spiritual: The USA including most republicans do not support the real solution to Israel's demographic problems, so now they themselves are getting ruined by their own demographic problems.
political: the #1 priority is to come up with some plan that either increases the size of the good groups in the population or reduces the size of the bad groups. By ignoring the problem every year it's going to get worse and worse. The plan must be supported by a candidate who is ideologically commited to it - instead of a Romney-Mccain type politician, who even can't be counted on to do what he promised.
spiritual lesson #2, Zionists have to think about new ways to oppose Obama that are not just dependant on elections. When Rabbi Kahane helped save Soviet Jews, his main energy was not spent on helping the election campaigns of politicians that made promises of support for Soviet Jews. One non-election activity is to oppose the existence of all Mosques. Both in Israel (especially on the Temple Mount) and in the USA.
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America is becoming a third world country.
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The lesson I take personally is that even though the motivation should have already been there, and it was there for me, but now I feel even more motivation than ever to make aliyah or somehow arrange the circumstances in my life to facilitate aliyah sooner. Good zionist Jews like me should also feel this way due to this election.
This country is facing an impending collapse due to the left's domination and infiltration of society. Society as a whole has changed. The last holdouts like the deep south and the mark levin's of the world have an uphill battle. Steeply uphill. And they may be left with nothing in the end, God forbid. But this is not a Jew's battle. We have a small country and a small number of people in Israel and our battle is there and has always been there. And we need to give everything we can for that battle, although wish America the best and that it should restore its glory as in the days of the founding fathers. But why aren't our energies going toward the real Jewish cause especially when this one is so lopsided now and is not even our battle? That's the feeling galuth Jews should have from this election IMO.
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If you want something done right you gotta do it yourself.
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that's even not the start of what you can't even dream you'll get when you mess with the G-d of Israel
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It's not my interest to compartmentalize the country into different groups, but you don't see that a very significant amount of blacks and Hispanics do?
Barack Obama came out of a church he went to for 20 years where whites/Jews were scapegoated for everything Jeremiah Wright could imagine, and then campaigned for the presidency with speeches where he said things like, "1 in every 8 Americans now live in poverty".
Who are these 1 in every 8 Americans? Obama speaks in a kind of "Taquia" around whites, and does not see all of his voters as just "Americans", HiWarp, and that's why we need to expose him and the blacks who support him. His Attorney General Eric Holder says he won't prosecute the black panthers for voter intimidation until "the socio-economic status of blacks is the same as whites".
You missed my point. Let me be clearer. If, after this election, the Republican strategy is to compartmentalize the country into different groups and pander to get each group to vote for them, you can kiss the whole thing goodbye. If Republicans are going to try to win elections by being big government Republicans, in other words trying to out-Democrat the Democrats, then what the hell does it matter who wins elections? The USA is done! It's not the country that will be done, it's the experiment in self government by a free people that's history. And, furthermore, what I was trying to say is that I believe, for at least one to two more election cycles, this is exactly what the Republicans will do if they continue being dominated by the RINO establishment.
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The lesson I take personally is that even though the motivation should have already been there, and it was there for me, but now I feel even more motivation than ever to make aliyah or somehow arrange the circumstances in my life to facilitate aliyah sooner. Good zionist Jews like me should also feel this way due to this election.
This country is facing an impending collapse due to the left's domination and infiltration of society. Society as a whole has changed. The last holdouts like the deep south and the mark levin's of the world have an uphill battle. Steeply uphill. And they may be left with nothing in the end, God forbid. But this is not a Jew's battle. We have a small country and a small number of people in Israel and our battle is there and has always been there. And we need to give everything we can for that battle, although wish America the best and that it should restore its glory as in the days of the founding fathers. But why aren't our energies going toward the real Jewish cause especially when this one is so lopsided now and is not even our battle? That's the feeling galuth Jews should have from this election IMO.
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You are exactly correct. If I were Jewish, I would immediately begin making plans to move to Israel. I don't care if it would take me 2 days, 2 months, or 2 years. As far as I'm concerned I do not believe that the USA can be taken back, not in my lifetime anyway, because there just aren't enough people here who want the country to change what it is and what it is becoming. Ironically, there is a way that would allow the states which still have large populations of free thinking people to continue and prosper but, again in my opinion, it will never happen. Any time anyone mentions the word secession, people have visions of the Civil War, federal government agencies with automatic weapons, and the military.
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There are lots of self hating Jews in America , for them Judaism is business to make more money, they don't feel any connection with Jewish faith as long as it serves their little selfish interest, it doesn't matter for these 68 % who voted hussein if Jews are hurt killed in America elsewhere in the world as long as they are not involved. The majority of these 68% , let's say 100 % of these Jews who voted Obamahusein hate Israel , their sins is so overwhelming they swayed America in the wrong side they are the main cause of evil in America.
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.....the founding fathers intended only white males vote.