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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: shai77 on September 01, 2014, 10:10:31 pm
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When I see pictures or videos of Arabs in Gaza playing or going about their day, I do not feel hatred or anger.
I simply see human beings, trying to fight those who they see as the enemy and gain status within their tribe, impress the world with their fake 'Palestinian cause'.
When I hear the terrorists taunt 'Yahoud, yahoud there is no place for you to run', I actually agree...
Israelites may try to escape their confrontation with religion and the land of Israel in far off places like the USA... but eventually within a generation they are likely to find life and the allure of the USA empty and feel the land of Israel calling them back.
There is no place to run, there is no place to hide, there is no way out other than complete victory.
Therefore, let Israel call on the name of Adonai, G-d of The Hebrews, whose presence dwells upon The Temple Mount in
Jerusalem. The creator of heaven and earth who is likened to an all consuming fire.
Let us remember the ice cold, burning hot, hard, harsh inescapable truth about Israel, the world, war and genocide:
When millions of Jews were being carted off like cattle and slaughtered grotesquely in German meatgrinders, barely
anyone in the world cared. Many were filled with glee. The USA air force pilots wouldn't even take the simplest
measure of prevention, bombing the train tracks.
With this acceptance of reality, the reality of human nature and that there is no on else for Israel to depend on other
than Adonai, G-d of the Hebrews; Let us go forth in airplanes, without uneccessarily compromising the safety of any
soldiers on the ground and completely destroy Gaza:
How about this: If any more missiles are launched from Gaza: Bomb it, pound it relentlessly, smash it and burn the
bones of its infrastructure until it is complete rubble. Without 'purity of arms', without restraint, with minimal care what
the USA or the Europeans will think. Consume Gaza completely in fire.
Afterwards, here maybe there will be a place to make a home on the burnt ashes.
A place to walk upon the smoldering ashes and gaze out upon the beautiful Meditarranean and have a life purpose of
building something.
Perhaps it would be nice to build a home on the coast; grow some tomatoes, build a playground, raise a family.
Maybe there are others who need a place like this.
Some say peace is the answer. Others say love is the answer. In this case, I think unashamed killing may be the answer.
There is no one who can help except for God. As far as I know, there is no cure for the psychological disturbance of being part of a tribe that was slaughtered in the past other than to participate in the destruction of the present enemy.
I think the cure for the psychology of Israeli society is to call on Hashem and proceed with an unprecedented killing of it's enemies in Gaza.
If there is no where to run, and all we have is the Lord, let us call upon his name and consume them in fire absolutely and completely.
Then build a coastal Gan Eden in the area formerly known as Gaza and let the world watch as we sacrifice Lambs and other burnt offerings in the Temple to Adonai, G-d of the Hebrews.
In the merit of Torah scholars past and present, the secular pioneers who built the modern state of Israel, and the victims of the Shoah, may it's memory be erased soon.
Is there any other solution?
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I don't think they will ever accept pay to leave either. I just don't see them accepting money from some Jewish leader or the State and packing up their bags.
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I don't think they will ever accept pay to leave either. I just don't see them accepting money from some Jewish leader or the State and packing up their bags.
Too bad. They will be made to leave and if not will be killed.
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Is it right to even offer them money? The prospect sort of sounds like a joke.
I do not wish the death of non-combatants who do not hate Israel but at the same time I believe that if they are killed in a massive bombing, their soul won't go to a bad place.
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Rabbi Kahane answered the question. He said they won't take money, because they have national pride. And we'll give them compensation when they give us compensation for the property they stole from Sephardic Jews.
Hamas centers must be bombed, obviously, but when their military capacity it eliminated, you can get the population to leave quite easily by pointing guns at them and driving them to Jordan.
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The bottom line is yes, compared to the Greeks, the Babylonians, the Spanish or the Germans, the Arabs would make a shoah that would be so terrible, it would fit all the horrible prophesies that the prophets warn about, and would be far worse than what we had in Egypt, if we don't make teshuva.
"When I see pictures or videos of Arabs in Gaza playing or going about their day, I do not feel hatred or anger. I simply see human beings, trying to fight those who they see as the enemy and gain status within their tribe, impress the world with their fake 'Palestinian cause'."
What about when you see muslim children in Sudan? They are also human beings who help commit genocide on Africans, and gain status in their tribe, and impress the mudrat world with their real jihad. How about muslim children in Mynamar? They are human beings too, and they are impressed with their fathers burning Buddhist monks alive, and massacring the native Asian population. You better believe that muslims, and the whole brainwashed western world is impressed by the cause of children in Kosovo, Serbia. They turned Serbia into a world sex-slavery capital, and kill them when they walk in the streets (or throw rocks, but I have read stories of their kids killing Serbian kids while swimming). Their cause is actually extremely similar, because they decided the a section of North Eastern Europe was really always muslim.
I hope you see a pattern here, and it says that Israel isn't an isolated cause, it's just another rock in the way of global domination. The mudrats love to promote it because it's the perfect way to get people to agree with another muslim convert-or-die of a population (and there's at least 10 near-extinct ones already), and it makes them more buttered up to letting their own populations get massacred while getting gooey-eyed over children that would happily gut them like fishes.
Ignorance is no excuse for a genocide, and like the Germans, they're not ignorant of what's going on, they were just promised the world, and so they go along with it.
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My point is I don't feel too much hate...I hate the religion but I don't necessarily hate all the people. Maybe I should. I do feel some inner compulsion to eliminate them though, to completely consume them in fire and to settle the land.
I agree that they should be killed. I made the intellectual mistake when I was younger of saying you can't really blame the Germans and then I found out the truth, that they would take your life and not care one bit so maybe yeah get rid off all the muzzies. It seems true that if you don't condemn evil or don't have an opinion, you almost might as well be Hitler. These are questions with tremendous, serious implications on the soul, free will etc...G-d really does hold man accountable for every word he utters on earth!
As far as teshuva is concerned, I intellectually agree with 100% faith that the 10 Commandments are the divine truth and the 613 Mitzvot are truth, justice and righteousness. I believe it and I can totally see it now! The truth is on the side of the mitzovt. The mitzvot are divine, love, and the way to life...It is beautiful to consider how great life could be as someone who keeps all the mitzvot.
Personally? I was simply blinded to the love of G-d by the fact of the holocaust...my mind could not compute it, it is something I had problems with from a very young age probably as young as 5 when I understood that I was a Jew and millions of us had been slaughtered in recent history and it made me an unhappy person bordering on anti-social.
Actually, for a while I denied the existence of God because of it, I simply didn't believe there was a God and I became reckless. I mean I think I always did believe in God, definitely, but this thing was a real mental conflict for a kid without education and understanding. The holocaust was a shameful thing even the thought of it is so disgusting that at some level you just don't want any part of it. When contrasted with the beauty of the decalogue and the mitzvot though it is interesting to consider that perhaps the shoah was a test of faith of some sort, just a particularly difficult one.
When I read the mitzvot with good explanations and listen to lectures and consider life, these things make perfect sense! I just don't have the will to wrap teffilin everyday etc...
Now that I understand it, I tend to think the only solution is to believe in God 100% and to physically take proactive action to completely eliminate the enemy as a kindness to the next generation of Jews but I don't know how much joy I would get out of it, dropping bombs etc...
Well, in my opinion, the enemy is disbelief in and lack of prayer to Adonai, G-d of the Hebrews as well as lack of study of the mitzvot...as far as I'm concerned, the Arabs are simply the messenger to the Jew to turn to Adonai, G-d.
Is all Israel expected to be mitzvot compliant before he will turn away the enemy or allow Israel to have huge victories of Biblical proportions? Or could a few people seize the levers of power and give the command?
I just don't really see national teshuva happening on the level of complete mitzvah compliance...At this point I think a good goal might simply be for all of the Jews to pray to Adonai, G-d of the Hebrews...not because I think the Israelis are bad people or stubborn, simply because of psychology, dealing with the past and making sense of it.
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Rabbi Kahane answered the question. He said they won't take money, because they have national pride. And we'll give them compensation when they give us compensation for the property they stole from Sephardic Jews.
Hamas centers must be bombed, obviously, but when their military capacity it eliminated, you can get the population to leave quite easily by pointing guns at them and driving them to Jordan.
In the case of Gaza, Egypt is much closer. The entire Gaza Strip is very close to Egypt. It's a very small place.
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If we control the education system in Israel, and show the people what a nation that follows Hashem looks like, rebuild the Sanhedrin and the holy Temple of Hashem, and put up a real opposition to those trying to rip the soul out of am Yisrael, then there will be mass teshuva.
Unfortunately, it looks like Arabs will be crawling out of tunnels, and killing tens of thousands of Jews, and with an air and sea port, might (G-d forbid) launch chemical weapons, and then the survivors will get to experience that. Unless we make the government Jewish before then, but it's not likely.
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Yeah. One thing about Torah that I have observed is that the formative years of childhood are the most important in terms of education.
If you aren't taught some real Torah precepts at a young age and then try to get back to it later in life after you've seen the futility of rejecting it, it is harder to grasp all the fundamental concepts and make them part of your character.
The only thing I grasped of Judaism at a young age was Jew=Holocaust Victim. If I had been exposed to the Decalogue and Shabat I think it is something I could be perfectly happy maintaining as a lifelong tradition because any decent person can see that all these things are good in my opinion. It is an awesome tradition.
Personally if I could I would put the 10 commandments over my child's crib as well as perhaps have the mitzvot written and shown on posters to inculcate these ideas from a young age, from the time they can read.
But trying to get back that innocent and youthful passion when you are in your 30's isn't as easy...Can you see secular hi-tech experts in Tel Aviv getting passionate about the Torah? Or the hipster types going Tznius?
It is really a difficult cultural battle the soul of Israel is fighting these days and I wish them the best of luck.
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Yeah. One thing about Torah that I have observed is that the formative years of childhood are the most important in terms of education.
If you aren't taught some real Torah precepts at a young age and then try to get back to it later in life after you've seen the futility of rejecting it, it is harder to grasp all the fundamental concepts and make them part of your character.
The only thing I grasped of Judaism at a young age was Jew=Holocaust Victim. If I had been exposed to the Decalogue and Shabat I think it is something I could be perfectly happy maintaining as a lifelong tradition because any decent person can see that all these things are good in my opinion. It is an awesome tradition.
Personally if I could I would put the 10 commandments over my child's crib as well as perhaps have the mitzvot written and shown on posters to inculcate these ideas from a young age, from the time they can read.
But trying to get back that innocent and youthful passion when you are in your 30's isn't as easy...Can you see secular hi-tech experts in Tel Aviv getting passionate about the Torah? Or the hipster types going Tznius?
It is really a difficult cultural battle the soul of Israel is fighting these days and I wish them the best of luck.
When the Jewish people see what Judaism really looks like, many will make teshuva. There might be some that don't want to, especially right away. If one made teshuva, it would be worth it, and more than likely tens of thousands within a year of seeing their land and rights protected, and eventually everyone will get their shot when the holy temple is rebuilt. Until then, what if 5% more shomer shabbos Jews would be enough to prevent catastrophe?
I also didn't know anything about Judaism growing up. Jewish pride made me want to be a part of the Jewish people for real, and Torah lectures I immediately recognized as truth, and it didn't take long for me to tow the line after. If 90% of Jews kept Torah, the other 10% would be more interested in joining in. It's worth a shot, more than anything else that you could do.
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Yes. Natural Eretz Israel style Judaism looks like it could be a very beautiful thing. I think the culture has to be normalized to the land after the major Aliyah/in-gathering of the 20th century, which is a process that could take decades and decades.
As long as large portions of the scholars are wearing black (and btw I'm not judging) I don't see too many secular people becoming interested.
I think Judaism is undergoing a transition from European style Judaism to Eretz Israel Judaism. Maybe they are the same thing but the essence seems different due to the outward customs and manner of dress. I think before a Sanhedrin and Temple can be formed, the top leaders will have to be people who the secular can relate to in some way...Like high priests who grew up listening to some of the same music etc...What I mean is it has to be more down to earth...more real, brought into a reality that people can relate to.
Part of it is a matter a culture and style. I never really liked the suit and tie it seemed like a very western tradition that didn't feel natural to me. I do like the tznius style though, the long skirts and head coverings for women and as for guys a think blue jeans and other natural garments are more down to earth than suits or the big fuzzy hats. I think just intuitively secular Jews who may have some longing to return in their souls look at this and think: This isn't what people looked like at the height of Israelite glory, so they automatically are a bit repulsed by it.
I don't know what to think, honestly.
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Yes. Natural Eretz Israel style Judaism looks like it could be a very beautiful thing. I think the culture has to be normalized to the land after the major Aliyah/in-gathering of the 20th century, which is a process that could take decades and decades.
As long as large portions of the scholars are wearing black (and btw I'm not judging) I don't see too many secular people becoming interested.
I think Judaism is undergoing a transition from European style Judaism to Eretz Israel Judaism. Maybe they are the same thing but the essence seems different due to the outward customs and manner of dress. I think before a Sanhedrin and Temple can be formed, the top leaders will have to be people who the secular can relate to in some way...Like high priests who grew up listening to some of the same music etc...What I mean is it has to be more down to earth...more real, brought into a reality that people can relate to.
Part of it is a matter a culture and style. I never really liked the suit and tie it seemed like a very western tradition that didn't feel natural to me. I do like the tznius style though, the long skirts and head coverings for women and as for guys a think blue jeans and other natural garments are more down to earth than suits or the big fuzzy hats. I think just intuitively secular Jews who may have some longing to return in their souls look at this and think: This isn't what people looked like at the height of Israelite glory, so they automatically are a bit repulsed by it.
I don't know what to think, honestly.
I've heard from a big Rabbi that there is talk to change the clothes, but they're still in shock from the reform, and are worried dropping one thing will lead them down the wrong path. Some Chassidim are into it because there are Chassidus books that promotes wearing such clothes.
One way or another, no one will complain if secular people start wearing modest clothes of their choosing. I think if anyone can do it, a mass-baal teshuva movement can change more than just that in the religious world. Why are we dressing like goyim in the 1850-1950s? Because it was how our last big Rabbis did. I would love to see us make modern Jewish fashion like we made a modern Hebrew. There's plenty of Jews that would be happy to do so as well.
There are regular Rabbis that everyone can relate to. The big Rabbis can do whatever they need to for their own holiness, and I don't think that a Rabbi who listens to snoop dog is what's going to make the Jews of Israel religious. Enough money that they don't have to work Sunday, and they can have a day off and shabbat is a start, and Rabbis that show them how a Jewish government is operated will seal the deal after all the Knesset traitors Jews have been subject to.
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destroy Hamas, escort the people of Gaza to the Jordan borders (without choice). I think this will not happen soon. It's impossible for Israel to do so as the whole world is watching over their shoulders.
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I've heard from a big Rabbi that there is talk to change the clothes, but they're still in shock from the reform, and are worried dropping one thing will lead them down the wrong path. Some Chassidim are into it because there are Chassidus books that promotes wearing such clothes.
One way or another, no one will complain if secular people start wearing modest clothes of their choosing. I think if anyone can do it, a mass-baal teshuva movement can change more than just that in the religious world. Why are we dressing like goyim in the 1850-1950s? Because it was how our last big Rabbis did. I would love to see us make modern Jewish fashion like we made a modern Hebrew. There's plenty of Jews that would be happy to do so as well.
There are regular Rabbis that everyone can relate to. The big Rabbis can do whatever they need to for their own holiness, and I don't think that a Rabbi who listens to snoop dog is what's going to make the Jews of Israel religious. Enough money that they don't have to work Sunday, and they can have a day off and shabbat is a start, and Rabbis that show them how a Jewish government is operated will seal the deal after all the Knesset traitors Jews have been subject to.
Yeah I can actually understand them and respect it. Modern Jewish fashion like modern Hebrew would, I think be something of a miracle. I picture authentic Israelites as farmers and laborers who live more robustly rather than as people dressed in suits. The whole European diaspora seems to have robbed Israel of the best parts of their identity and driven them out of the trades. You don't see to many Israelis riding horses and enjoying robust outdoor life. There are tradesman in Israel now but they grew up there...You don't see too many Jewish carpenters or mechanics in the USA. As far as running the country, I think the religious have a long way to go. The secular have proven themselves as capable of at least holding a state and bureaucracy together even if it is far from perfect. Who knows though...if the Temple movement gains some momentum, making that the centerpiece of the state would probably accomplish a lot of these goals.
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Yeah I can actually understand them and respect it. Modern Jewish fashion like modern Hebrew would, I think be something of a miracle. I picture authentic Israelites as farmers and laborers who live more robustly rather than as people dressed in suits. The whole European diaspora seems to have robbed Israel of the best parts of their identity and driven them out of the trades. You don't see to many Israelis riding horses and enjoying robust outdoor life. There are tradesman in Israel now but they grew up there...You don't see too many Jewish carpenters or mechanics in the USA. As far as running the country, I think the religious have a long way to go. The secular have proven themselves as capable of at least holding a state and bureaucracy together even if it is far from perfect. Who knows though...if the Temple movement gains some momentum, making that the centerpiece of the state would probably accomplish a lot of these goals.
According to the Rav of Machon Shiloh, that which was forced upon Jews became a mitzvah.
The state has held together in spite of the secular government. The government would have had to try hard to do anything worse. I am not against secular Jews having political power, but economically, militarily, and in the 4 cornerstones of the modern state; education, media, industry and religion, the government of Israel has arguable done worse than most African nations.
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What to do about Gaza which gets free water electricicity any goods they need provided by Israel which refuse to do the same to the Jewish inhabitants in the south who live in fear of terrorist attacks coming from Gaza suplied with free goods from the country created to protect the Jews that enable arab terror Israel?
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Actually, scratch everything. You don't have to do anything. Just cut the power. They'll leave themselves.
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The current Israeli government is the problem, they are providing their enemies with free money, free water, free medicine, free housing, free concrete, free electricity & soon a free airport.
If they leave they get sand.
Why should they want to leave?
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The current Israeli government is the problem, they are providing their enemies with free money, free water, free medicine, free housing, free concrete, free electricity & soon a free airport.
If they leave they get sand.
Why should they want to leave?
Well it's not realy a choice...
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Well it's not realy a choice...
Currently it is a choice because Pipi is not going to do anything.
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When I tell people about how Israel is supporting it's enemies by supplying water, electricity, and building materials they usually laugh at me and accuse me of making it up. Nobody can believe any country would be so stupid as to actually supply these necessary items to their enemies. So this fact is so unbelievable people think it has to be untrue.
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When I tell people about how Israel is supporting it's enemies by supplying water, electricity, and building materials they usually laugh at me and accuse me of making it up. Nobody can believe any country would be so stupid as to actually supply these necessary items to their enemies. So this fact is so unbelievable people think it has to be untrue.
I was talking with a big group of Palestine supporters a few weeks ago and when i told them about that Israel is supplying the people in Gaza with this goods they told me; Would you like it if you dont have the control over your own water and electricity and they can cut it of any moment?
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I was talking with a big group of Palestine supporters a few weeks ago and when i told them about that Israel is supplying the people in Gaza with this goods they told me; Would you like it if you dont have the control over your own water and electricity and they can cut it of any moment?
No. That's why we invest in infrastructure instead of rockets to destroy someone else's infrastructure.
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the problem is, if we shut off power it would be a process that takes time and some libs would come to the rescue and mess it all up. It would have to be something that happened within 24hrs I think...
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the problem is, if we shut off power it would be a process that takes time and some libs would come to the rescue and mess it all up. It would have to be something that happened within 24hrs I think...
Not if reporters are removed from Gaza. Anyways, all you have to do is flick the switch, and we can offer the liberals to pay for their power, since the Terroristinians aren't, and I have no doubt they won't put their money where their mouth is.
It's wise to have a plan B, so assuming you're right an a couple hair-armed yellers are too much to handle, simply send in the army, the liberals will be already protesting at a safe distance after military positions are shelled, and we go in, load them onto comfortable, fancy trucks, and drop them all off in Jordan, and while Mr. Feglin thinks the Sinai would be best, I personally want it back, and to look for Korah's gold there, and oil is lovely.
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What do you think the truth is about building the Temple? Will it be built upon peace or upon the blood/body count of Israel's enemies?
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What do you think the truth is about building the Temple? Will it be built upon peace or upon the blood/body count of Israel's enemies?
The Temple will be rebuilt in peace. But no matter what it will be rebuilt. First we must remove the Quaqf from controlling it... When Israel gets a more Jewish right wing leader this should happen quickly.
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who controls the quaqf?
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The Temple will be rebuilt in peace. But no matter what it will be rebuilt. First we must remove the Quaqf from controlling it... When Israel gets a more Jewish right wing leader this should happen quickly.
So after the Temple is rebuilt... What will be the plans for the Church of the Holy Sepulchre? And what will be the plans for the Dome of the Rock, Dome of the Chain, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and other non-Jewish holy buildings?
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who controls the quaqf?
Jordan.
What do you think the truth is about building the Temple? Will it be built upon peace or upon the blood/body count of Israel's enemies?
The blood will come when they attack after we build it, and we will crush them again.
So after the Temple is rebuilt... What will be the plans for the Church of the Holy Sepulchre? And what will be the plans for the Dome of the Rock, Dome of the Chain, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and other non-Jewish holy buildings?
Zohar says we won't have to touch a single on of them, and Xtians and muslim will destroy their own buildings after moshiah comes, from the embarrassment it gives them. And we won't ever be able to build anything there or use that land for anything ever again.
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The dome of the rock will be moved. They can have it in Jordan or Saudi Arabia.
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Zohar says we won't have to touch a single on of them, and Xtians and muslim will destroy their own buildings after moshiah comes, from the embarrassment it gives them. And we won't ever be able to build anything there or use that land for anything ever again.
That is fascinating. I never knew that. When I was in Israel I started thinking about destroying churches, un buildings and places like the Bahai gardens. I never touched any of them for fear of the police and there is a big tourism industry. I'm glad the Zohar says this because I literally went crazy thinking about the problems these things pose in Israel. That would be great. Although after a lot of thought, I stopped disliking Christians visiting churches in Israel for the most part because I understand them in some ways...most of them are just people looking for a better life. That doesn't change the fact that seeing the cross everywhere was bothersome.
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That is fascinating. I never knew that. When I was in Israel I started thinking about destroying churches, un buildings and places like the Bahai gardens. I never touched any of them for fear of the police and there is a big tourism industry. I'm glad the Zohar says this because I literally went crazy thinking about the problems these things pose in Israel. That would be great. Although after a lot of thought, I stopped disliking Christians visiting churches in Israel for the most part because I understand them in some ways...most of them are just people looking for a better life. That doesn't change the fact that seeing the cross everywhere was bothersome.
Islam is a bigger threat than the Bahai. As far as I know, they aren't converting too many Jews. I don't mind that they visit churches so long as there isn't missionary activity, but ultimately there will be missionary activity if they stay, because of the commandment in the "new" testament to follow all laws except prohibitions on missionary activity, so the churches should be closed off tourist areas and we'll have to support great groups like Jews for Judaism to protect our kids until Moshiah comes.
Since idol worshipers used to come to offer sacrifices to Hashem, they're allowed to enter Israel, but if they are here, anyone practicing idolatry we get punished for, so them staying would be a problem. You can poskim by the opinion that Xtianity is really a permissible form of idolatry to the nations, where they say they connect to Hashem through something else (but punishable for Jews), and then they can go to their churches and we can't read their minds, so them we can live with.
As for muslims, it may or may not be idolatry (I agree with the Rabbis who say it is), but they have a direct commandments to kill Jews and the land of Israel existing as a Jewish state today is against their religion, so no matter what religion they have, they must go or they will try to kill us.
The only problem is that if they accept the Noahide laws, we have no right to kick them out, and many might fake it. 24 hours is a smart idea for a time frame, I realize now, for more than one reason. Thanks for the good idea Shai.
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Islam is a bigger threat than the Bahai. As far as I know, they aren't converting too many Jews. I don't mind that they visit churches so long as there isn't missionary activity, but ultimately there will be missionary activity if they stay, because of the commandment in the "new" testament to follow all laws except prohibitions on missionary activity, so the churches should be closed off tourist areas and we'll have to support great groups like Jews for Judaism to protect our kids until Moshiah comes.
Since idol worshipers used to come to offer sacrifices to Hashem, they're allowed to enter Israel, but if they are here, anyone practicing idolatry we get punished for, so them staying would be a problem. You can poskim by the opinion that Xtianity is really a permissible form of idolatry to the nations, where they say they connect to Hashem through something else (but punishable for Jews), and then they can go to their churches and we can't read their minds, so them we can live with.
As for muslims, it may or may not be idolatry (I agree with the Rabbis who say it is), but they have a direct commandments to kill Jews and the land of Israel existing as a Jewish state today is against their religion, so no matter what religion they have, they must go or they will try to kill us.
The only problem is that if they accept the Noahide laws, we have no right to kick them out, and many might fake it. 24 hours is a smart idea for a time frame, I realize now, for more than one reason. Thanks for the good idea Shai.
Yeah the Bahai is just sort of innocuous and innocent looking, but it still bothered me and I even longed to burn the Bahai Gardens. Something about it just reminded me of phony pacifism, idolatry masquerading as some innocent type knowledge faith.
As far as Christianity...a lot of Israelis respond positively to anti-Christian hate (with fairly good reason I would say) and would be more than happy to be rid of the cross, despite the economic benefits. There are whole Jesus industries like 'The Jesus Trai' etc...I understand one is not supposed to derive any benefit from idolatry but in this case I am not sure where these Israelis who take an I don't care attitude stand, if they are really too guilty of making a buck from the lucrative tourist trade. They certainly might be opposed to seeing the churches gone...but might feel a relief in some ways.
There are a lot of Israelis who don't care that much and if you even have any thought towards eradicating churches you will be looked at as an extremist. When I was near the Galilee and had thoughts about the whole Jesus story, all the movies I've seen, the walking on water etc...and thought about all of the slaughter that happened, I nearly had a nervous breakdown...There is something creepy about the whole thing at least to me.
Personally I just like the idea of getting rid of any symbols of phony type pacifism in the Holy Land and keeping it real, that the God of Israel is not a pacifist. He may be for peace, but doesn't seem like a pacifist by any stretch of the imagination.
As for the mosques, I haven't been inside of any of them. It could be nice to replace their speaker music with calls to Jews to pray 3x per day. As bad as the Islamic teaching about killing Jews is, the idea of praying, at least for a little while 3x per day seems like a good thing and I don't mind the dome style architecture (minus the moon and star).
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Yeah the Bahai is just sort of innocuous and innocent looking, but it still bothered me and I even longed to burn the Bahai Gardens. Something about it just reminded me of phony pacifism, idolatry masquerading as some innocent type knowledge faith.
I feel you on that, and yeah, they "agree with all religions" which yeah is basically that. I listened to some stuff from them, and it's especially silly, so leave them this teshuva to make, and it'll bring a few ex-Bahai to Israel for some post-messianic tourism.
As far as Christianity...a lot of Israelis respond positively to anti-Christian hate (with fairly good reason I would say) and would be more than happy to be rid of the cross, despite the economic benefits. There are whole Jesus industries like 'The Jesus Trai' etc...I understand one is not supposed to derive any benefit from idolatry but in this case I am not sure where these Israelis who take an I don't care attitude stand, if they are really too guilty of making a buck from the lucrative tourist trade. They certainly might be opposed to seeing the churches gone...but might feel a relief in some ways.
There are a lot of Israelis who don't care that much and if you even have any thought towards eradicating churches you will be looked at as an extremist. When I was near the Galilee and had thoughts about the whole Jesus story, all the movies I've seen, the walking on water etc...and thought about all of the slaughter that happened, I nearly had a nervous breakdown...There is something creepy about the whole thing at least to me.
I don't think indirect tourism profits count as making profit from idolatry. You should ask your Rabbi and do whatever he says, but I just have a couple Ravs I almost never talk to who are my Rabbis, so I'm going to say that my understanding of the halacha is that the actual church, we wouldn't be allowed to collect rent or taxes from, and really should want it gone, but if the person happens to buy a falafel, it's profiting off the person's hunger, not his desire to serve idols. We'd probably find way older buildings if we let the archaeologists have at their basements, so history is a poor excuse, but even if though there's no reason to keep the churches around, the missionary groups should be the priority to be removed, not a building where goyim by some opinions may be practicing a permissible (to goyim only) for of idolatry.
I've studied just about everything in the NT, and bits of other books, like Martin Luther's (YS"V) books, the Book of Moron, and some of these wacky Jehovah's witnesses' writings, and let me save you a lot of time, and say it's all nonsense, and if you need anything specific disproven or laughed at, you know who to ask.
Personally I just like the idea of getting rid of any symbols of phony type pacifism in the Holy Land and keeping it real, that the God of Israel is not a pacifist. He may be for peace, but doesn't seem like a pacifist by any stretch of the imagination.
As for the mosques, I haven't been inside of any of them. It could be nice to replace their speaker music with calls to Jews to pray 3x per day. As bad as the Islamic teaching about killing Jews is, the idea of praying, at least for a little while 3x per day seems like a good thing and I don't mind the dome style architecture (minus the moon and star).
I'd first see mouth-pieces for it removed.
Muslims don't pray. When you pray, you believe you're talking to Hashem, and even with declarations and repetitions like Shema, you're speaking about how you're going to behave to be G-dly in this world. Muslims, on the other hand, repeat 5 times daily that they think G-d has a made up name and that a murderer is a prophet. That's it. There isn't a concept of spirituality involved with their prayer, it's like a gang creed they repeat, so that they'll stick with pisslam. It doesn't do anything good for them and anyone.
As for their architecture, they didn't invent the dome, and they stopped trying to copy further architectural innovations from the peoples they exterminated after they figured out that one. I'd loose a couple or all domes in the land to see a Beit ha Mikdash.
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All of the stuff you say sounds pretty much correct LKZ.
The tourism profit is not simply from the food, it is from people driving tour vans around to churches. There is also a lot of chazerai being sold in the shops. It made me feel bad having thoughts of judgement against these Israeli tour guides who were nice guys but probably simply would not take any stance against Christianity in Israel because of the money.
But anyways...
My issue is, even with all religion...even if one were to succeed in accomplishing all of this...what does it matter if one can't relate to most people? To be honest, if you go around Israel with these sentiments, you will not feel like a normal person. The natives are used to this stuff as far as I can see.
The only way I can see any of this happening is a '24 hr' deal where there is no time to talk about it and back down.
Any other way and the moderates would talk us out of it if there was any discussion and forget about talking with foreigners.
Too bad not too many chics I've met in this life care about uprooting idolatry from the land of Israel. Probably not going to win you any popularity points.
Anyways, difficult theological questions...
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All of the stuff you say sounds pretty much correct LKZ.
The tourism profit is not simply from the food, it is from people driving tour vans around to churches. There is also a lot of chazerai being sold in the shops. It made me feel bad having thoughts of judgement against these Israeli tour guides who were nice guys but probably simply would not take any stance against Christianity in Israel because of the money.
But anyways...
My issue is, even with all religion...even if one were to succeed in accomplishing all of this...what does it matter if one can't relate to most people? To be honest, if you go around Israel with these sentiments, you will not feel like a normal person. The natives are used to this stuff as far as I can see.
The only way I can see any of this happening is a '24 hr' deal where there is no time to talk about it and back down.
Any other way and the moderates would talk us out of it if there was any discussion and forget about talking with foreigners.
Too bad not too many chics I've met in this life care about uprooting idolatry from the land of Israel. Probably not going to win you any popularity points.
Anyways, difficult theological questions...
There's a mitzvah to never stop hating someone who convinced you to go into idolatry, and I would assume it applies to one trying to do that to your brothers. Don't feel sorry, just because the idolaters have smiles instead of firepits in statues, doesn't mean the damage they do to the soul of Am Yisrael is any less. As for the tour guides though, they're not criminals, their bosses are, and they're bosses aren't the court is, and we can follow that down to the government and end at the filthy hellenized Western culture, but in the end, all of them share in a crime that is hard for any to see, so don't hate them, just inform them the crime that they're part of, and then the rest is up to them, and Hashem won't need those thoughts of judgment for you letting this happen without standing up.
History is unkind to those who rush it. There are basic things we need to start with to save the nation of Israel, and when people see the good that comes from listening to Hashem, they'll start themselves, and everything else will continue to come as the Jewish people is ready. The worst possible thing would be a civil war, and you need citizens to feel part of the process, that way naysayers can be handles by their peers, rather than forcing the government to do something. There is no discussion possible for a. removing the Arabs, b. Making the schools Jewish, starting with at least one real class on Judaism, c. Temple of Hashem, d. illegalizing missionary activity, e. All Jews for idolatry "converts", gay marriage "partners", Sudaneese, and any other non-Jewish immigrants being removed. Thereafter, things will progress with citizen participation, and beyond national suicide, economic suicide, abortion, gay rights, and minority worship, liberals aren't the best at debating, so they'll be sidestepped in short order.
Also, once as missionaries can't pay people's rent in exchange for conversion, and people don't need that, it'll slow the spread by 90%, and illegalizing covert conversions of 7 year olds in parks will take care of 9%, and what remains can be handled easily.
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How does it change though? It seems like it is going in one direction and not a good direction. I sort of give up because I'm not a righteous enough person to be an advocate for Torah law and I have probably done things as bad as any Israelite. It is hard to say anything to anyone unless you are a perfect tzadik and have really good understanding of all the laws as well as a character that can't be attacked easily.
If you have done anything bad like break shabbos you will find it hard to criticize left wing homos in tel aviv. They can just point the finger back at you.
I guess the best thing to do is pray...
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Make it into a really large parking lot?
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How does it change though? It seems like it is going in one direction and not a good direction. I sort of give up because I'm not a righteous enough person to be an advocate for Torah law and I have probably done things as bad as any Israelite. It is hard to say anything to anyone unless you are a perfect tzadik and have really good understanding of all the laws as well as a character that can't be attacked easily.
If you have done anything bad like break shabbos you will find it hard to criticize left wing homos in tel aviv. They can just point the finger back at you.
I guess the best thing to do is pray...
Moses was a perfect tzadik. He sinned. A tzadik is someone who falls and gets back up. One way or another, it's no excuse to say that because you're not fulfilling one mitzvah of shabbat, you should fulfill the other mitzvot of speaking for the truth and against evil. If clearly you are able to speak out against violating shabbat as you just did, speaking out against them should be easy.
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Invade Gaza station the idf there to stop missile attacks on Jewish cities that are paying for the error of the authority with the Gushkatif desengagement! the first obligation of a country is to protect its citizen which Israel refuses to do!
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How does it change though? It seems like it is going in one direction and not a good direction. I sort of give up because I'm not a righteous enough person to be an advocate for Torah law and I have probably done things as bad as any Israelite. It is hard to say anything to anyone unless you are a perfect tzadik and have really good understanding of all the laws as well as a character that can't be attacked easily.
If you have done anything bad like break shabbos you will find it hard to criticize left wing homos in tel aviv. They can just point the finger back at you.
I guess the best thing to do is pray...
Just because we are not perfect doesn't mean we don't have an obligation to rebuke those who are sinning. If we are not perfect we must do more to make ourselves better, but do not sit back and stop rebuking those who are sinning. The Torah has no 'Let he who has no sin cast the 1st stone' melarky. Nobody has no sin in Judaism ,we all are falling or rising at one time, and we all have the responsibility to rebuke and bring back Jews to observe the Torah.
We should judge others with Mercy, with the benefit of the doubt... But if a person is a rasha (wicked one) we should say something about it.
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How does it change though? It seems like it is going in one direction and not a good direction. I sort of give up because I'm not a righteous enough person to be an advocate for Torah law and I have probably done things as bad as any Israelite. It is hard to say anything to anyone unless you are a perfect tzadik and have really good understanding of all the laws as well as a character that can't be attacked easily.
If you have done anything bad like break shabbos you will find it hard to criticize left wing homos in tel aviv. They can just point the finger back at you.
I guess the best thing to do is pray...
I realized a bigger point. Clearly, you feel bad about keeping shabbos, and you wish it was easy for you like it is for many Jews. That feeling wouldn't be there if nobody told you how important shabbos was. Therefore, these lefties and homos who may not even realize they're sinning, since the media promotes them like perfect tzadikim for doing these horrible sins, they at least deserve what you have, to know what they're doing is wrong.
There are 2 kinds of people in darkness; those who know they're in it, and those that don't. At least give them that, and it will be good for them to tell you that you should keep shabbat if they do, and maybe help make it easy for you too, considering a homo is calling you unrighteous.