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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: CorrieDeservedIt on December 07, 2014, 04:38:06 pm
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i don't know much about this topic.
i do know that regardless of weather this view is popular amongst jews or not
it in no way will water down the anti-semitism amongst blacks and hispanic militant groups. To them you are just another white man.
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/
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I don't know but I'm white and I'm damn glad of it. Baruch HaShem.
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I would call myself caucasian. I certainly couldn't pass as a German or a Swede. But I was told once that I also have ethic Italian American look.
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Whoever wrote this in the times of Israel is dumb.She writes about Pashtuns not being white she's idiotic they are of indo aryan descent just like Persians which are what Europeans are.As far as Jews go they are semitic a branch of the European race
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There were plenty of different verison of the stories of how Egyptians were black at the time of Moses. And who Middle Easterners were also black back then.
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Yes they are white, you can get blonde blue eyed jews you can gets dark brown eyed jews. But they are in general white. of course, because of conversions you get different races, but the original blood line is white imo.
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I'm not white? Great. Then give me affirmative action like the mulinyan.
I know. Don't hold your breath.
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Jews are a religion, not a race, like Christians, Muslims, or any other religion. Most but not all Jews are white. Technically the first Jews were since they were Middle Eastern, even though they didn't look white in the modern sense.
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Not all Jews are white. Just the lucky ones.
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Whoever wrote this in the times of Israel is dumb.She writes about Pashtuns not being white she's idiotic they are of indo aryan descent just like Persians which are what Europeans are.As far as Jews go they are semitic a branch of the European race
There's no European race. There is a Caucasian race. Semites are a branch of the Caucasian Race. The Caucuses region isn't even in Europe, rather in Asia. There is also no African or Asian race. Continents don't define races. It so happens to be that all ethnic Europeans are Caucasian. But so are some ethnic Asians like Jews and other Semites as well as North African Hamites. Blacks are not "the African race" but rather the Negro Race. Orientals are not "the Asian race". Orientals are only East Asian.
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I would say jews generally are white in America but this is also a country where white people from South America get affirmative action benefits for no reason other than speaking Spanish
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i don't know much about this topic.
i do know that regardless of weather this view is popular amongst jews or not
it in no way will water down the anti-semitism amongst blacks and hispanic militant groups. To them you are just another white man.
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/
This reminds me of some affirmative action moron teacher I had in college. She claimed Jews are not white and she also said the Irish became white. There was actually a stupid book she made us buy called "How the Irish Became White" written by some Anti-Israel moron.
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lots of white jews. there black jews from Ethiopia too. and of course, asian jews.
I'm jewish too.
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How about Sammy Davis, Jr.?
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Jews are not white unless they are heavily mixed with one of European nations. Also, average Caucasian ( Albanian or Chechen) do not look like average Slav or German..Europe is devided between these two groups of whites. All others are not whites.
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serbian army, what are you smoking? Only Slavs and Germans are white? Only Albanian or Chechen are white? The Caucasian race is divided into haplogroups..several of them which includes R1B1, R1 A1 (slavic), and "I "(Germanic). A biologist can distinguish a Caucasion by his or her Haplogroup in the chromosomes. Italians are largely R1B1 and French also, as well as Celts (Irish, Scottish etc). Even most of North Africa is Caucasian. There are several other haplogroups in ancestral Europe..If you want to see who is "non-white" don't even look at skin color. Look at the shape of the head, the jaw, the lips and width of the nose.
I would recommend you read up on Haplogroups
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There were plenty of different verison of the stories of how Egyptians were black at the time of Moses. And who Middle Easterners were also black back then.
Stories which aren't true. So you believe in these fables and tall tales?
No, Jews were not "black."
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serbian army, what are you smoking? Only Slavs and Germans are white? Only Albanian or Chechen are white? The Caucasian race is divided into haplogroups..several of them which includes R1B1, R1 A1 (slavic), and "I "(Germanic). A biologist can distinguish a Caucasion by his or her Haplogroup in the chromosomes. Italians are largely R1B1 and French also, as well as Celts (Irish, Scottish etc). Even most of North Africa is Caucasian. There are several other haplogroups in ancestral Europe..If you want to see who is "non-white" don't even look at skin color. Look at the shape of the head, the jaw, the lips and width of the nose.
I would recommend you read up on Haplogroups
Good to see you here, Italian Zionist.
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serbian army, what are you smoking? Only Slavs and Germans are white? Only Albanian or Chechen are white? The Caucasian race is divided into haplogroups..several of them which includes R1B1, R1 A1 (slavic), and "I "(Germanic). A biologist can distinguish a Caucasion by his or her Haplogroup in the chromosomes. Italians are largely R1B1 and French also, as well as Celts (Irish, Scottish etc). Even most of North Africa is Caucasian. There are several other haplogroups in ancestral Europe..If you want to see who is "non-white" don't even look at skin color. Look at the shape of the head, the jaw, the lips and width of the nose.
I would recommend you read up on Haplogroups
Read again what I have said about Chechens... Anyhow..name one European nation that is not German or Slav? Italians, French, Celts...are all Germans..
There are whites in North Africa because many white slaves...and because East Germanic tribe named the Vandals conqured this area along with what we call Spain today.
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Serbian Army, The majority of Northern German DNA (chromosomes) contain haplogroup "I". Before there was a Germany the R1B1 Haplogroup was all over Europe which is Celtic and Neolithic European. Germany has some R1B1. This is because the Celts were all over Europe. They are among the first group in Europe. Slavic people are R1A1 Haplogroup. Italy, Greece and France have these haplogroups BUT OTHERS Like J, H, etc. Go to southern Italy, you will find a marked difference between many Sicilians and Slavics/Germans. S.A. Some look like Germans, OTHERS DO NOT. There are many haplogroups in Europe. The Finns and Hugarians also have a unique haplogroup. Where do you get this information from? You must be scientific when you address these matters. There is hard scientific proof against your statement.
As for north Africa, scientists discovered that even the ancient pharoahs were Caucasion, WAY BEFORE THE VANDALS invaded north africa. Some egyptians even had red hair. BEING WHITE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN BEING GERMAN OR SLAVIC. Basques are Caucasion. Are you going to tell me that basques are German or Slavic?
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Serbian Army, The majority of Northern German DNA (chromosomes) contain haplogroup "I". Before there was a Germany the R1B1 Haplogroup was all over Europe which is Celtic and Neolithic European. Germany has some R1B1. This is because the Celts were all over Europe. They are among the first group in Europe. Slavic people are R1A1 Haplogroup. Italy, Greece and France have these haplogroups BUT OTHERS Like J, H, etc. Go to southern Italy, you will find a marked difference between many Sicilians and Slavics/Germans. S.A. Some look like Germans, OTHERS DO NOT. There are many haplogroups in Europe. The Finns and Hugarians also have a unique haplogroup. Where do you get this information from? You must be scientific when you address these matters. There is hard scientific proof against your statement.
As for north Africa, scientists discovered that even the ancient pharoahs were Caucasion, WAY BEFORE THE VANDALS invaded north africa. Some egyptians even had red hair. BEING WHITE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN BEING GERMAN OR SLAVIC. Basques are Caucasion. Are you going to tell me that basques are German or Slavic?
Do not associate all German tribes with today's Germany. There is an explanatin if any current European nation is not of pure German/Slavic bloodline. Hungarian nation is mixed with Asiatic groups because of conquest...them and Bulgars mixed mostly with the Slavic Serbs. Some Sicilians had been mixed with the Arabs if I am not mistaken. Majority of Italians are German. Because of Turkish conquest some Serbs have their Mongolid genes but we are still predominantly white Slavs. If you are to go so far in history google vinca culture in what is today Serbia. You are correct about Finns but after the agression from Germanic tribes...you know what has happened. Peoples had been melted into Germanic or Slavic world in modern Europe. These two gene pools are predominant....everything else is bs. I do not believe in Caucasian race. It is misused term. Look at Chechens. Compare them with an average European. I say only two groups prevailed and all European nations are built upon these two.
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Do some Jews use the term 'white power'?
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Not European white but most would be considered levantine eastern Mediterranean white or white man with a tan.
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Not European white but most would be considered levantine eastern Mediterranean white or white man with a tan.
I agree...
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Do some Jews use the term 'white power'?
No.
Do you use that term? Its a pretty dumb phrase.
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I've only read of that term used by anti-Semite white supremacists/neo-Nazis (as if there was any other kind...)
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When asked what race I am I do not say white... My skin is darker than most whites. And I considering how much the Jewish people have suffered at the hands of so-called 'whites' I don't want to be associated with them. To me 'white' is nazi.
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When asked what race I am I do not say white... My skin is darker than most whites. And I considering how much the Jewish people have suffered at the hands of so-called 'whites' I don't want to be associated with them. To me 'white' is nazi.
so when filling out forms, what do yo put down? I don't remember seeing "olive".
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so when filling out forms, what do yo put down? I don't remember seeing "olive".
Caucasian is the only one on forms..
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Yes. Real Jews are white. Jews were made in God's image. There is a clear lineage from Adam and Eve, made in God's image, to King David who is the first man physically described in the Bible. He had red hair and a reddish complexion, so he was clearly white. So God is clearly white. Everyone else on Noah's Ark were Beasts of the Field. I am blessed to be white. I am made in God's image with this white uniform.
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Yes. Real Jews are white. Jews were made in God's image. There is a clear lineage from Adam and Eve, made in God's image, to King David who is the first man described in the Bible. He had red hair and a reddish complexion, so he was clearly white. So God is clearly white. Everyone else on Noah's Ark were Beasts of the Field. I am blessed to be white. I am made in God's image with this white uniform.
Real Jews were semitic in origin. Most probably not lilly white as most europeans are. Abraham came from the lands which are today Iraq and Iran. Through the diaspora the Jewish blood became more intermingled with the whites of Europe. The Persian and Sephardi Jews are much darker skin toned than europen whites. So I don't agree with Aluf Abir on this.
And it is utterly stupid to say 'G-d is white'. Hashem is not any color. Hashem is incorporeal, has no body, and is beyond time and space. It is impossible, by Jewish belief, to say something as 'dumb' as 'G-d is white'.
I hope you are not a Jew Aluf, otherwise you are pretty far from the mark.
Also, what in tarnations do you mean 'King David' is the 1st man in the Bible. The Torah records the lives of many men, including Noah, including Abraham and the patriarchs (Yitzak & Jacob) and then Moses and Aaron... And then Joshua... The Torah is full of great Jewish figures.
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Lest anyone forget about the 13 principles of Rambam:
http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/48924072.html
We believe that this Oneness is neither a body nor a bodily force, nor is He subject to any bodily characteristics -- movement, rest, or dwelling -- be they inherent or by chance. Therefore the Sages repudiated [the possibility of any] cohesion or separation [concerning Him], as they said: "Above there is no sitting, standing, division, or ‘cohesion'" (a usage based on Isaiah 11:14). As the prophet (ibid., 40:18-25) said: "Who is comparable to the Almighty...?" For if He had a body, He could be compared to other bodies.
All the corporeal terms used in the Scriptures to describe Him -- such as walking, standing, sitting, speaking etc. -- are metaphorical. As the Sages have said: "The Torah speaks in the language of man."
This is the third Principle, as affirmed by the verse (Deuteronomy 4:15) "You have not seen any image," that is to say, you cannot conceive of Him as having any form because, as stated, He is neither a body nor a bodily force.
-- Maimonides, 13 Principles of Faith
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Yes. Real Jews are white. Jews were made in God's image. There is a clear lineage from Adam and Eve, made in God's image, to King David who is the first man physically described in the Bible. He had red hair and a reddish complexion, so he was clearly white. So God is clearly white. Everyone else on Noah's Ark were Beasts of the Field. I am blessed to be white. I am made in God's image with this white uniform.
This beyond silly to the point of heresy. God does not have a body and certainly does not have skin or a skin color. It is considered heretical in traditional Jewish thought to believe God has a physical body. I think you are trolling this forum.
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Real Jews were semitic in origin. Most probably not lilly white as most europeans are. Abraham came from the lands which are today Iraq and Iran. Through the diaspora the Jewish blood became more intermingled with the whites of Europe. The Persian and Sephardi Jews are much darker skin toned than europen whites. So I don't agree with Aluf Abir on this.
Sfardic Jews are white. Sfardic Jews are dark white. Ethnic Europeans are light white. If you prefer not to call Sfardic Jews white, you might as well call no one white. The only people whose skin is literaly white as in the color of snow are people like Michael Jackson. Maybe metzoraim were like that. White is just what we call our skin. There are differnet tones from those of Northern Europe all the way to olive tone in Southern Europe and bordering on brown in parts of Asia and North Africa.
Also, what in tarnations do you mean 'King David' is the 1st man in the Bible. The Torah records the lives of many men, including Noah, including Abraham and the patriarchs (Yitzak & Jacob) and then Moses and Aaron... And then Joshua... The Torah is full of great Jewish figures.
I think he means David is the first man whose appearance is described. Esav was also described. It is also said Jacob had the face of Adam and Rebekah looked like Eve.
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This beyond silly to the point of heresy. God does not have a body and certainly does not have skin or a skin color. It is considered heretical in traditional Jewish thought to believe God has a physical body. I think you are trolling this forum.
This person's comments sound trollish at best.
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This person's comments sound trollish at best.
Look at his other comments.
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,79053.msg652710.html#msg652710
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But getting back to whether or not Jews are white, my family is all Iranian. I have relatives on my mothers side who have light hair, very light skin, and either blue or green eyes. During World War II, when the Russians were Iran, they mistook two of my aunts for Russians.
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But getting back to whether or not Jews are white, my family is all Iranian. I have relatives on my mothers side who have light hair, very light skin, and either blue or green eyes. During World War II, when the Russians were Iran, they mistook two of my aunts for Russians.
Many North African Jews also have blue or green eyes. My grandparents are Iraqi and my great grandmother had blue eyes and blonde hair. Many of my grandfather's siblings also had blue eyes. But my grandmother is darker. This is proof that all regions have variations among the kind of white features. Blacks on the other hand are all black and have the same eyes and hair. Other races also have all the same features. Whites are the most diverse of all races. Of course many blacks in America may have some features different than other blacks but American blacks are mixed with whites.
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My comments have been concerning skin 'whiteness' concerning how light or dark the skin is. Concerning facial/skeletal features all Jews appear to have Caucasian features. But skin color-wise we Jews can be very light (German Ashkenazi) to very dark (Temeni).
(http://images.alarabiya.net/93/32/640x392_54479_89788.jpg)
Yemenite Jews
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Jews are part of a religion, not a race. Racially, jews range from blond haired/blue eyed to black african. Most are caucasian and originate from the
mediterranean region. Jews are no more white than christians.
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When asked what race I am I do not say white... My skin is darker than most whites. And I considering how much the Jewish people have suffered at the hands of so-called 'whites' I don't want to be associated with them. To me 'white' is nazi.
What should Italians and Spaniards put?
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This person's comments sound trollish at best.
They have been! :::D All of his post make us look like Nazis.
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Sfardic Jews are white. Sfardic Jews are dark white. Ethnic Europeans are light white. If you prefer not to call Sfardic Jews white, you might as well call no one white. The only people whose skin is literaly white as in the color of snow are people like Michael Jackson. Maybe metzoraim were like that. White is just what we call our skin. There are differnet tones from those of Northern Europe all the way to olive tone in Southern Europe and bordering on brown in parts of Asia and North Africa.
I think he means David is the first man whose appearance is described. Esav was also described. It is also said Jacob had the face of Adam and Rebekah looked like Eve.
Environment does play a role.
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Do not associate all German tribes with today's Germany. There is an explanatin if any current European nation is not of pure German/Slavic bloodline. Hungarian nation is mixed with Asiatic groups because of conquest...them and Bulgars mixed mostly with the Slavic Serbs. Some Sicilians had been mixed with the Arabs if I am not mistaken. Majority of Italians are German. Because of Turkish conquest some Serbs have their Mongolid genes but we are still predominantly white Slavs. If you are to go so far in history google vinca culture in what is today Serbia. You are correct about Finns but after the agression from Germanic tribes...you know what has happened. Peoples had been melted into Germanic or Slavic world in modern Europe. These two gene pools are predominant....everything else is bs. I do not believe in Caucasian race. It is misused term. Look at Chechens. Compare them with an average European. I say only two groups prevailed and all European nations are built upon these two.
S.A. where do you get this information from? Again, you are not talikng from a scientific perspective. DNA does not lie. There are many different haplogroups in Europe even BEFORE asiatic invasions. Name me one scientist or anthropolgist that agrees with you? When you say Germans, you can talk culturally or also physical DNA ( The" I" haplogroup is uniquely Germanic). Once again there are many different haplogroups in Europe EVEN BEFORE THE WAVES of barbarain invasions after 476 AD. TO say that the Spaniards or the Basques at the time of Jesus were Germans is ridiculous. Science is the answer and the argument, not mad observations. Germans belong to 2 predominant Haplogroups R1B and "I". There were many other haplogroups in Europe before the time of Jesus, even before the time of Moses. You are correct that the R1B common to Germans is spread across Europe. This is due to invasion and also from preheistoric migrations (way before there was a German culture). Just because some Italians have R1b1 and Germans have R1b1, I can reverse your claims and say that Europe is mostly Italian?
But what you don't address is that there are MANY OTHER haplogroups across Europe, and scientists KNOW that they were present in Europe before the Asiatic and Turkic invasions. Even the balkans have a variety of haplogroups before the time of Jesus. Science, my friend science is the answer, not passion or anecdotal observation. Until you back up your claims with DNA evidence, they are simply untrue and empty . Science supersedes history or belief. Show me your argument through science.
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S.A. where do you get this information from? Again, you are not talikng from a scientific perspective. DNA does not lie. There are many different haplogroups in Europe even BEFORE asiatic invasions. Name me one scientist or anthropolgist that agrees with you? When you say Germans, you can talk culturally or also physical DNA ( The" I" haplogroup is uniquely Germanic). Once again there are many different haplogroups in Europe EVEN BEFORE THE WAVES of barbarain invasions after 476 AD. TO say that the Spaniards or the Basques at the time of Jesus were Germans is ridiculous. Science is the answer and the argument, not mad observations. Germans belong to 2 predominant Haplogroups R1B and "I". There were many other haplogroups in Europe before the time of Jesus, even before the time of Moses. You are correct that the R1B common to Germans is spread across Europe. This is due to invasion and also from preheistoric migrations (way before there was a German culture). Just because some Italians have R1b1 and Germans have R1b1, I can reverse your claims and say that Europe is mostly Italian?
But what you don't address is that there are MANY OTHER haplogroups across Europe, and scientists KNOW that they were present in Europe before the Asiatic and Turkic invasions. Even the balkans have a variety of haplogroups before the time of Jesus. Science, my friend science is the answer, not passion or anecdotal observation. Until you back up your claims with DNA evidence, they are simply untrue and empty . Science supersedes history or belief. Show me your argument through science.
It does not matter anyway. Serbian nation is at point of no return. In order for my nation to survive we need an average family to number over 10 members. Other nations, like Italian, face extinction as well but maybe not as soon as ours.
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Jews is the first white in human history because all heavenly color in Jew.
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Semitic jews are brown.
Its not likely the original tribe were white. They were Caucasian, but likely dark as they were in the desert.
Even the polish jews have white but opaque skin, brown eyes and black hair.
But really, why does it matter if Jews are white?
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No they're black.
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S.A. where do you get this information from? Again, you are not talikng from a scientific perspective. DNA does not lie. There are many different haplogroups in Europe even BEFORE asiatic invasions. Name me one scientist or anthropolgist that agrees with you? When you say Germans, you can talk culturally or also physical DNA ( The" I" haplogroup is uniquely Germanic). Once again there are many different haplogroups in Europe EVEN BEFORE THE WAVES of barbarain invasions after 476 AD. TO say that the Spaniards or the Basques at the time of Jesus were Germans is ridiculous. Science is the answer and the argument, not mad observations. Germans belong to 2 predominant Haplogroups R1B and "I". There were many other haplogroups in Europe before the time of Jesus, even before the time of Moses. You are correct that the R1B common to Germans is spread across Europe. This is due to invasion and also from preheistoric migrations (way before there was a German culture). Just because some Italians have R1b1 and Germans have R1b1, I can reverse your claims and say that Europe is mostly Italian?
But what you don't address is that there are MANY OTHER haplogroups across Europe, and scientists KNOW that they were present in Europe before the Asiatic and Turkic invasions. Even the balkans have a variety of haplogroups before the time of Jesus. Science, my friend science is the answer, not passion or anecdotal observation. Until you back up your claims with DNA evidence, they are simply untrue and empty . Science supersedes history or belief. Show me your argument through science.
I can't really answer until evening. DNA testing would link you and me to the black African tribe called Bushmans. You must understand that I am writing about period after fall of Roman empire after which Slavs and Germanic tribes took over and melted in all others. I would be in fact crazy to call my self pure Slav. I plan to do DNA testing which can tell more about your ethnicity. If DNA testing founds that I am of Jewish origin my culture would still be Slavic, my language Slavic and everything else. Explain to what had happened to Serbian empire in east Germany? There are only 100,000 Serbs left. Others speak German and that is about it.
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I wonder how far many non-Jewish white people can really trace their ancestry.
We are what we are. Why obsess about something we can't control?
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I wonder how far many non-Jewish white people can really trace their ancestry.
We are what we are. Why obsess about something we can't control?
1550 for me, on fathers side. SuperGreatGrandfather came from German area, ended up in Briton and married a Brit, son came to America. Majority of children named after tribes of Israel, firstborn always Joseph, until the last couple of generations.
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Jews can be any skin color eye shape hair texture.
Anyone sincerely converts to Judaism is as jewish as Moses.
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The original depictions of Jews vary, in the Egyptian art Jews are lighter than Egyptians but appear to be a brownish to olive tone likely a southern mediterranean people with Caucasoid features. In some depictions in the dura Europa's synagogue moses is depicted almost as black yet Abraham and others are depicted as white or in some cases olive,
Samaritans today look olive to white. Some Ashkenazi look dark and middle Eastern while some Sephardic can have blonde hair and blue eyes, some pure Arabs from Saudi Arabia can look white , I think its complex due to Israels location and a multitude of Egyptians and others came put with moses to Israel. There's also the case of some documented intermarriage with moabites and other people of the land and I'm sure during hellinization there was mixing with the Syrian Greeks. My guess is most Jews resembled Cypriots Greeks or southern italians with exceptions.